A Legacy Forged is the ninth and final mission in Starfield‘s UC Vanguard questline and the follow-up to Hostile Intelligence. Regardless of your actions here, you will end up with Class One Citizenship for the United Colonies, which grants discounts in UC-controlled territory and a free house in New Atlantis, the Mercury Tower Penthouse, which you will acquire for free by talking to Zora at Aphelion Realty Office.
However, your final choice in this quest here will be game-altering in one way:
- Uncovering the truth about Vae Victis and telling Hadrian will seal Francois Sanon’s fate. It’s unclear what that fate
- Lying and blaming Orlase for the attacks on Tau Ceti and New Atlantis keeps Vae Victis alive. You can keep working with him on Preventive Action quests, which, while optional, are worth it.
Meanwhile, at the quest’s end, another decision regarding using the Aceles or Microbe option to exterminate the terrormorphs lurks. The decision on how to deal with the Terrormorph problem has a minor gameplay impact but will, depending on your choice, affect your companion affinity depending on who follows you.
From a practical standpoint, you don’t need to read the rest of this walkthrough. Keeping Vae Victis alive means more Starfield lore, more EXP, and more loot. Don’t expose his secret.
The rest of this walkthrough, emphasizes on Starfield lore, role-playing, moral matters, and the player’s persective in all this. This is the second mission after Eye of the Storm, which may make you wonder who you are and what you believe in. Let’s dive in!
- UC Vanguard mission 09 (Final)
- Location: MAST Building, New Atlantis, Jemison
- Rewards: 350 EXP, 14,000 Credits (Very Hard), and Class One UC Citizenship
Before going further, I would like to mention what we know about Vae Victis up to now (make sure to visit the UC Vanguard Orientation Hall to refresh your memory):
- The star of the Colony War in 2308, UC Xenoweapons, and the Destruction of Niira: The Colony War started in 2308 due to an authorized Freestar colonization of Vesta’s Pride – a direct violation of the Narion Treaty. During the Colony War, which ended in 2311, the UC invaded the Freestar planet Niira and turned it into a forward operating base. Collective forces made repeated attempts to retake Niira. Vae Victis ordered the use of Xenoweapons on the battlefield while the Freestar Collective deployed Mechs, leading to the complete destruction of the planet. It’s worth mentioning that the Red Devils had reached a phase where they were researching the use of Terrormorphs as Xenoweapons. The experiment failed, but the intent was there.
- The Battle of Cheyenne in 2311: Vae Victis ordered the attack against Freestar Collective’s civilian ships in Cheyenne. I believe Vae Victis and the UC had the FC on checkmate here. That’s why the FC armed the civilian ships and brought them to the frontline to attack the UC Navy in a desperate move to turn the tide of the Colony War. The United Colonies lost the war because both soldiers and commanders lost their “faith” and were unwilling to fight against civilians. If you go by the letter of the law, this is a war crime indeed. The Freestar Collective essentially won the terms of The Armistice, and Vae Victis accepted his fate to be tried for his war crimes, along with Commander Henry Durant and General Indira Rastogi.
- The bombing of Londinion’s spaceport during the Colony War (exact date unknown): His third war crime was the bombing of the Londinion spaceport. Initially, we thought this was to limit the Terrormorph outbreak to Londinion. During “Hostile Intelligence,” we uncovered the truth, though. Vae Victis’ number one priority was to exterminate everyone who witnessed the effects of the Lazarus Plant on Heatleeches. The instant transformation indeed turned the leeches into an invisible weapon.
Player Perspective: UC Xenoweapons and Freestar Mechs seem equally devastating and dangerous, but using aliens as weapons feels “more wrong” compared to using AI “Gundams.” The Battle of Cheyenne was a fiasco, but would we view it differently had the UC won? The civilian ships were actively firing against UC ships, so in my mind, this is more of a strategic mistake rather than a war crime.
Finally, it’s hard to evaluate the bombing of Londinion’s spaceport. There must have been other ways to kill everyone that knew about the Lazarus Plant’s effects (and yes, I agree that eliminating was a necessary step), but it’s hard to evaluate what would have happened had Londinion not been isolated. How many Heatleeches would escape Londinion, and would it be possible to move Lazarus Plants out of the planet? We know it’s a fragile plant…
One obvious mistake for me is that while the Lazarus Plant’s effect should have been kept a secret, the fact that Terrormorphs are grownup Heatleeches shouldn’t have been concealed. An order of evacuation of the city and extermination of the Heatleeches would make sense, but are they easy to track down? The bombing of the spaceport and the elimination of the UC Marines could have happened after that, but would there be any leaks? Would it be possible to assemble an assassination team to take them out?
I want to clarify that prior to my conversation with Vae Victis, I had already decided his fate. I would let him live and continue working with him. As a Freestar Collective Settler, I want to know who the UC classifies as threats. While my decision didn’t change after the conversation, my feelings about it definitely changed.
Where Does Vae Victis Stand in the Alignment System
I considered Vae Victis Neutral Evil prior to the conversation in Subsection Seven and an anti-villain.
I believe the courtroom scene from A Few Good Men between Jack Nicholson and Tom Cruise has a place in this post. That’s how I viewed Vae Victis and people in positions of power. In most cases, there is a Lawful Good facade, but behind the scenes, you will find mostly Chaotic Good/Neutral/Evil behaviors.
There has been no facade with Vae Victis so far. We know who he is and he clearly knows who he is. He believes everything he does is for the United Colonies’ sake.
Speak with Vae Victis in Subsection Seven
First, head to Subsection Seven of the MAST Building. Once you speak to Vae Victis from the Intercom Device, you can tell from the smirk on his face that you know. He will ask if you found what you were looking for in Londinion on Toliman 2.
First Dialogue Options Menu
What happens when you pick dialogue option #1:
- “Oh, we did. And a whole lot more.”
- “Good news, then. So… what exactly are you doing here? Plenty still to be done in defeating the Terrormorphs, no?”
This option leads instantly to the Second Dialogue Options Menu.
What happens when you pick dialogue option #2:
- “Don’t play dumb. We know you were behind the attacks on New Atlantis and Tau Ceti.”
- “… now what in the heavens would make you claim something as ludicrous as that?”
This option leads instantly to the Third Dialogue Options Menu.
What happens when you pick dialogue option #3:
- “I don’t know. Is there anything you want to tell me about your time in Londinion?”
- “I haven’t been to Londinion in many years. Why? Is there some way I could be of assistance? Were you able to recover what you were looking for?”
This option leads back to the First Dialogue Options Menu.
Second Dialogue Options Menu
What happens if you pick option #1:
- “We found a recording – of you – discussing the use of Terrormorphs as a weapon.”
- “… did you? Well… I don’t know what you think you heard on this recording, but I sincerely hope you didn’t come to the wrong conclusions. After all, given the Cabinet’s current state of anxiety, they might… misinterpret such a discovery to mean I could’ve been involved in the attacks. Perhaps I can convince you to keep this among us?”
This option leads to the Fourth Dialogue Options Menu.
What happens if you pick option #2:
- “I know you’re involved in attacking Tau Ceti and New Atlantis.”
- “… now what in the heavens would make you claim something as ludicrous as that?”
This option leads to the Third Dialogue Options Menu.
What happens if you pick option #3:
- “You murdered UC citizens and you’re going to pay for it. Now confess!”
- “… did you? I don’t know what you think you heard on this recording, but I sincerely hope you didn’t come to the wrong conclusions. After all, given the Cabinet’s current state of anxiety, they might… misinterpret such a discovery to mean I could’ve been involved in the attacks. Perhaps I can convince you to keep this among us? “
This option leads to the Fourth Dialogue Options Menu.
Third Dialogue Options Menu
What happens if you choose the dialogue option #1:
- “We recovered a recording.”An invisible weapon.” You were talking about the Terrormorphs.”
- “… did you? I don’t know what you think you heard on this recording, but I sincerely hope you didn’t come to the wrong conclusions. After all, given the Cabinet’s current state of anxiety, they might… misinterpret such a discovery to mean I could’ve been involved in the attacks. Perhaps I can convince you to keep this among us?”
This option instantly leads to the Fourth Dialogue Options Menu.
What happens if you choose the dialogue option #2:
- “Because you’re the only other person who knew that the Lazarus Plant could have been weaponized.”
- “That’s… quite the claim, Captain. I hate to think what would happen if such a… patently untrue statement reached the ears of the Cabinet. Perhaps I can convince you to keep this among us?”
This option instantly leads to the Fourth Dialogue Options Menu.
What happens if you choose the dialogue option #3:
- “Should’ve aimed better when you bombed Londinion. We found evidence there tying you to the attacks.”
- “That’s… quite the claim, Captain. I hate to think what would happen if such a… patently untrue statement reached the ears of the Cabinet. Perhaps I can convince you to keep this among us?”
This option instantly leads to the Fourth Dialogue Options Menu.
Fourth Dialogue Options Menu
What happens if you pick the dialogue option #1:
- “No more lies! Confess or I turn in what I found!”
- “You know, you’re far more clever than I expected. You want to hear the wards, then? I did it. The Terrormorph attacks on Tau Ceti. New Atlantis. My doing. Years of coordination between my associate and I, figuring out how to deploy the Lazarus Plant’s pollen outside of Londinion. Learning to synthesize it. Use it as a weapon. Now, being as clever as you are, I’m sure you have thoughts on why I might do such a thing?”
This dialogue option leads you to the Fifth Dialogue Options Menu.
What happens if you pick the dialogue option #2:
- “Sorry. I’m telling the Cabinet what we learned. Consider this your chance to clean.”
- “You know, you’re far more clever than I expected. You want to hear the wards, then? I did it. The Terrormorph attacks on Tau Ceti. New Atlantis. My doing. Years of coordination between my associate and I, figuring out how to deploy the Lazarus Plant’s pollen outside of Londinion. Learning to synthesize it. Use it as a weapon. Now, being as clever as you are, I’m sure you have thoughts on why I might do such a thing?”
This dialogue option leads you to the Fifth Dialogue Options Menu.
What happens if you pick the dialogue option #3:
- “I’ve got no plans to tell anyone. I just want to know the truth.”
- “You want to hear the wards, then? I did it. The Terrormorph attacks on Tau Ceti. New Atlantis. My doing. Years of coordination between my associate and I, figuring out how to deploy the Lazarus Plant’s pollen outside of Londinion. Learning to synthesize it. Use it as a weapon. Now, being as clever as you are, I’m sure you have thoughts on why I might do such a thing?”
This dialogue option leads you to the Fifth Dialogue Options Menu.
What happens if you pick the dialogue option #4:
- “So, you really don’t know anything about the attacks? Is that what you’re claiming?”
- “Of course. Do I look like I’m in any position to do what you’re describing? So I’d very much appreciate your agreement to not share what you found. We wouldn’t want to make anyone else jumping to conclusions, now would we?”
This dialogue option leads you back to the Fourth Dialogue Options Menu.
Fifth Dialogue Options Menu
What happens if you pick the dialogue option #1:
- “Because you’re a mad man and a murderer and you live to sow death.”
- “Hmph… Hardly. The attacks… were a correction. When I discovered the plant, I did consider handing over what I’d found. But we were at war, and I couldn’t risk information that dangerous falling into the wrong hands. So I ordered the bombing of the Londinion spaceport, fixing two problems at once – halting the spread of the city’s Terrormorph outbreak… And sealing away knowledge of the plant’s potential.”
This dialogue option leads you to the Sixth Dialogue Options Menu.
What happens if you pick the dialogue option #2:
- “No better way to show the UC what a deadly weapon they have in the Lazarus plan than to use it.”
- “Hmm. Not a bad thought, but no. The attacks… were a correction. When I discovered the plant, I did consider handing over what I’d found. But we were at war, and I couldn’t risk information that dangerous falling into the wrong hands. So I ordered the bombing of the Londinion spaceport, fixing two problems at once – halting the spread of the city’s Terrormorph outbreak… And sealing away knowledge of the plant’s potential.”
This dialogue option leads you to the Sixth Dialogue Options Menu.
What happens if you pick the dialogue option #3:
- “To work something on that long… this seems personal.”
- “You couldn’t be more right. The attacks… were a correction. When I discovered the plant, I did consider handing over what I’d found. But we were at war, and I couldn’t risk information that dangerous falling into the wrong hands. So I ordered the bombing of the Londinion spaceport, fixing two problems at once – halting the spread of the city’s Terrormorph outbreak… And sealing away knowledge of the plant’s potential.”
This dialogue option leads you to the Sixth Dialogue Options Menu.
What happens if you pick the dialogue option #4:
- “Associate? Who have you been working with?”
- “All in due time. First, I want to see if you’re truley as astute as you appear. Whey would someone like me go through all this trouble?”
This dialogue option leads you back to the Fifth Dialogue Options Menu.
Sixth Dialogue Options Menu
What happens if you pick the dialogue option #1:
- “Please. No secret is so dangerous that you can justify condemning so many lives.”
- “Easy to say now. But at the time, I didn’t know the Lazarus Plant couldn’t be plucked from the ground and used to cause even more death. I wasn’t going to allow another dangerous variable be added to an already catastrophic war. But then, as the war ended – my trial, my execution – I made a decision. After all, I’d given everything for the Colonies, my life as I knew it included. And what did I get in return? Was there any effort by the UC to protect my legacy? My daughter’s legacy? No. We were sacrificed when all we did was server. So I kept what I’d learned and arranged the attacks to set things right again. My daughter, she becomes a hero. I become a trusted advisor, having found Kaiser, the research team… And cement my new position of influence when I hand the name of the person responsible for the attack on New Atlantis: The dear departed Doctor Reginald Orlaise. The associate who aided me all these years… and who I always slated to take the fall. What luck he was stopped dead before he could hurt anyone else. His decades on the run brought to an end by another unlikely hero – you.”
This dialogue option leads you to the Seventh Dialogue Options Menu.
What happens if you pick the dialogue option #2:
- “You just said it took you years to use the plant outside Londinion. You killed them for nothing!”
- “Simple to say now. But with the outbreak raging from a barely understood source, the moment demanded quick action. So I did what was required. I removed a dangerous variable from an already catastrophic war. But then, as the war ended – my trial, my execution – I made a decision. After all, I’d given everything for the Colonies, my life as I knew it included. And what did I get in return? Was there any effort by the UC to protect my legacy? My daughter’s legacy? No. We were sacrificed when all we did was server. So I kept what I’d learned and arranged the attacks to set things right again. My daughter, she becomes a hero. I become a trusted advisor, having found Kaiser, the research team… And cement my new position of influence when I hand the name of the person responsible for the attack on New Atlantis: The dear departed Doctor Reginald Orlase. The associate who aided me all these years… and who I always slated to take the fall. What luck he was stopped dead before he could hurt anyone else. His decades on the run brought to an end by another unlikely hero – you.”
This dialogue option leads you to the Seventh Dialogue Options Menu.
What happens if you pick the dialogue option #3:
- “That information should have been handed over. Secured to keep it from ever being used.”
- “It’s easy to judge now. In that moment, I wasn’t about to add another dangerous variable to an already catastrophic war. But then, as the war ended – my trial, my execution – I made a decision. After all, I’d given everything for the Colonies, my life as I knew it included. And what did I get in return? Was there any effort by the UC to protect my legacy? My daughter’s legacy? No. We were sacrificed when all we did was server. So I kept what I’d learned and arranged the attacks to set things right again. My daughter, she becomes a hero. I become a trusted advisor, having found Kaiser, the research team… And cement my new position of influence when I hand the name of the person responsible for the attack on New Atlantis: The dear departed Doctor Reginald Orlase. The associate who aided me all these years… and who I always slated to take the fall. What luck he was stopped dead before he could hurt anyone else. His decades on the run brought to an end by another unlikely hero – you.”
This dialogue option leads you to the Seventh Dialogue Options Menu.
What happens if you pick the dialogue option #4 (appears after selecting #5):
- “Hmm. Maybe it is better that fewer people new about it.”
- “Precisely. In that moment, I couldn’t allow another dangerous variable be added to an already catastrophic war. But then, as the war ended – my trial, my execution – I made a decision. After all, I’d given everything for the Colonies, my life as I knew it included. And what did I get in return? Was there any effort by the UC to protect my legacy? My daughter’s legacy? No. We were sacrificed when all we did was server. So I kept what I’d learned and arranged the attacks to set things right again. My daughter, she becomes a hero. I become a trusted advisor, having found Kaiser, the research team… And cement my new position of influence when I hand the name of the person responsible for the attack on New Atlantis: The dear departed Doctor Reginald Orlase. The associate who aided me all these years… and who I always slated to take the fall. What luck he was stopped dead before he could hurt anyone else. His decades on the run brought to an end by another unlikely hero – you.”
This dialogue option leads you to the Seventh Dialogue Options Menu.
What happens if you pick the dialogue option #5:
- “You didn’t even trust your own people in the UC?”
- “There were the final days of the Colony War, Captain. The Freestar Collective had spies everywhere. I was concerned that, if word got out, the Collective could swoop down, start breeding Lazarus Plants, and overrun our worlds with waves of Terrormorphs. Just like what was happening on Londinion at that very moment. Sealing off the city to prevent mass death? It was the only option that made sense at the time.”
This dialogue option leads you back to the Sixth Dialogue Options Menu.
Seventh Dialogue Options Menu
What happens if you pick the dialogue option #1:
- “So, you murdered UC citizens because of some slight against your honor? You’re sick.”
- “There are no heroes without a villain. I simply arranged the opportunity for us to overcome one and become the other. And we all benefited. It’s why I had Orlaise reprogram Kaiser. Had that old machine guide you to where I found the plant all those years ago. I went to great lengths to ensure you and Hadrian’s success. And look at the results. I know for a fact the Cabinet’s planning to honor both you and Hadrian once this is all done. Isn’t that preferable to languishing away in obscurity, running jobs on the tail end of nowhere for the Vanguard? With only the vague hopes of perhaps earning the right to buy a home in the Well someday?”
This dialogue option leads you to the Eighth Dialogue Options Menu.
What happens if you pick the dialogue option #2:
- “Ah. So I’m just your clean-up crw. You must think you’re very clever.”
- “Captain, please. You have benefited here as much I have. Maybe more. It’s why I had Orlaise reprogram Kaiser. Had that old machine guide you to where I found the plant all those years ago. I went to great lengths to ensure you and Hadrian’s success. And look at the results. I know for a fact the Cabinet’s planning to honor both you and Hadrian once this is all done. Isn’t that preferable to languishing away in obscurity, running jobs on the tail end of nowhere for the Vanguard? With only the vague hopes of perhaps earning the right to buy a home in the Well someday?”
This dialogue option leads you to the Eighth Dialogue Options Menu.
What happens if you pick the dialogue option #3:
- “Orlase? Why does that name sound familiar?”
- “Can’t remember the many lives you’ve taken? Hmm. Orlase was the man whose death your brough about around the moon of Ethereea. The Pilot of “The Warlock.” The man I had you eliminate to hide my secret.”
This dialogue option leads you back to the Seventh Dialogue Options Menu.
What happens if you pick the dialogue option #4:
- “How could have coordinated all this from in here?”
- “It wasn’t easy. But the beauty of being loathed is that people will do whatever they can not to deal with you. They wanted to pretend I did’t exist and so I used their blaind eye to my advantage. Still, establishing a back channel to Orlase via the UC recovery teams was painstaking work. I’ve led campaigns less nerve-wracking. They believed they were luring in wanted crimainals, but were in fact delivering precisely encoded slates, filled with instructions invisible to any but their recipient. Dropped off at just the right moements to fall into the proper hands, all without the UC realizing whome they were actually dealing with. Slow work, but as you can see, ultimately effective.”
This dialogue option leads you back to the Seventh Dialogue Options Menu.
What happens if you pick the dialogue option #5:
- “And why the hell do you care if the UC wants you as an advisor?”
- “Why would I want to be in the good graces of the people who control my very life? I don’t know, Captain. Maybe I still dream of a life outside these walls someday. A new face would be needed, of course, but it wasn’t an impossibility. Though now, I’m not so sure.”
This dialogue option leads you back to the Seventh Dialogue Options Menu.
Eighth Dialogue Options Menu
What happens if you pick the dialogue option #1:
- “They’d be honoring me for cleaning up your messes!”
- “You’re being honored only because I arranged the situations where it could happen. Be grateful. And let’s not forget the importance of our actual end game. Eliminating the Terrormorph, securing knowledge of the Lazarus Plant? What we’ve set in motion is going to protect thousands, maybe millions of lives. I’m simply requesting one more life be protected: mine. I’ve already sent along the evidence of Orlaise’s role in the attacks to the Cabinet, leaving out my involvement. All I ask is that you confirm as much to the Cabinet. Tell them that it was Orlase and Orlase alone. After all, I do still have a long list of threats to the UC. This needn’t be the end of our good works together.”
This option takes you to the Ninth Dialogue Options Menu.
What happens if you pick the dialogue option #2:
- “If you’re waiting for me to say “Thank you,” we’re going to be here for a while.”
- “I’m simply looking for you to acknowledge the truth. And let’s not forget the imporance of our actual end game. Eliminating the Terrormorph, securing knowledge of the Lazarus Plant? What we’ve set in motion is going to protect thousands, maybe millions of lives. I’m simply requesting one more life be protected: mine. I’ve already sent along the evidence of Orlaise’s role in the attacks to the Cabinet, leaving out my involvement. All I ask is that you confirm as much to the Cabinet. Tell them that it was Orlase and Orlase alone. After all, I do still have a long list of threats to the UC. This needn’t be the end of our good works together.”
This option takes you to the Ninth Dialogue Options Menu.
What happens if you pick the dialogue option #3:
- “I suppose there have been some benefits to all this.”
- “Precisely. And let’s not forget the imporance of our actual end game. Eliminating the Terrormorph, securing knowledge of the Lazarus Plant? What we’ve set in motion is going to protect thousands, maybe millions of lives. I’m simply requesting one more life be protected: mine. I’ve already sent along the evidence of Orlaise’s role in the attacks to the Cabinet, leaving out my involvement. All I ask is that you confirm as much to the Cabinet. Tell them that it was Orlase and Orlase alone. After all, I do still have a long list of threats to the UC. This needn’t be the end of our good works together.”
This option takes you back to the Eighth Dialogue Options Menu.
What happens if you pick the dialogue option #4:
- “What kind of honors are we talking here?”
- “Something befitting the dedication to the Colonies you two have shown. While of course they can’t give you a command – responsibility like that has to be earned – the Cabinet does have access to… considerable resources. I expect you’ll be quite pleased with the result. And none of it would’ve happened without my intervention.”
This option takes you back to the Eighth Dialogue Options Menu.
Ninth Dialogue Options Menu
What happens if you pick the dialogue option #1:
- “I hope you’ve enjoyed this talk, because once I tell the Cabinet, it’ll probably be your last.”
- “This… is a pity, Captain. But… I am in no position to negotiate. Though we needn’t be enemies, you and I. Just think about the opportunity I provided here. There are more on the horizon… if you do the right thing.”
This dialogue option completes the objective.
What happens if you pick the dialogue option #2:
- “You know, I’m not sure what I’m going to tell he Cabinet.”
- “Hmm. Well, I do hope you’ll keep the larger perspective in mind, Captain. We’ve done something great here. Let’s not squander the opportunity to do more.”
This dialogue option completes the objective.
What happens if you pick the dialogue option #3:
- “Fine. I’ll make sure everything is pinned on Orlaise.”
- “Splendid. Then I won’t keep you. You’ve got important work, after all. Here’s to a bright future.”
This dialogue option completes the objective.
What happens if you pick the dialogue option #4:
- “You think I’m just going to forget the fact that you killed people to accomplish your “good works”?”
- “And how many have you killed where you are now? There are no great works that don’t cost lives, Captain, whether it’s winning a war or… digging a tram tunnel. So we sacrificed a few dozen in the attacks to possibly protect millions? That seems like a fair exchange to me. I only hope you’ll see the same and leave my name out of the discussions to come.”
This dialogue option brings you back to the Ninth Dialogue Options Menu.
What happens if you pick the dialogue option #5:
- “What kind of work are we talking about here?”
- “Hunting down criminals and other threats to the United Colonies. I expect they’ll give me a bit more free range once this is all over. You would help me like you did with Orlase: track them down… and keep them from doing harm to the United Colonies. Impossible, though, if the Cabinet learns I’m responsible for the attacks.”
This dialogue option brings you back to the Ninth Dialogue Options Menu.
Key Takeaways from the Conversation with Vae Victis
While there are many dialogue menus, I think it’s inevitable that you learn the whole truth about the plan, but you may miss some details. Let’s see what we learned:
- When Vae Victis ordered the destruction of Londinion’s spaceport, he didn’t know that the Lazarus Plant couldn’t survive on other planets.
- Reginald Orlase was his associate and researched how to synthesize and deploy Lazarus Plant’s pollen to other environments.
- He organized the attacks on Tau Ceti and in New Atlantis.
- He sent you to apprehend Orlase in The Devils You Know, expecting Orlase to end up dead. Vae Victis intended for Orlase to take the blame for the attacks from the start. Orlase committed suicide in my playthrough, but Vae Victis talks to me like I killed him.
- His motives for the attacks were only related to personal gain. He arranged the whole thing so that Hadrian would become a hero and his position as an advisor would be strengthened.
- He mentions continuing to work with you if you don’t expose him to the Cabinet and details it.
Based on what we learned from the conversation, I considered Vae Victis, a Chaotic Evil straight-out villain. Prison changed him.
The Morals of Vae Victis
Ultimately, the only time Vae Victis had a morally “Good” compass was when he bombed Londinion’s spaceport, regardless of whether we agree with such a decision. Everything else was for the benefit of the United Colonies during a time of war or for his own benefit in the present.
What is the Morally Right Decision for Vae Victis’ Fate?
The whole conversation made me sick to my stomach. I wish he would shut up so I can have some reason to keep him alive. Even the part about tracking down war criminals doesn’t feel right, as we did that with Orlase, and it was for Vae Victis’ own benefit.
I stuck with my decision, but there is no way I can morally back up the decision not to bring a sociopath to justice. Crazy stuff.
Speak to Hadrian and Percival (Office of Interstellar Affairs)
Telling Hadrian that Vae Victis confessed will make her really angry, and she will ask why he did it.
You have the option to tell her or skip this part:
- He said he was trying to fix the damage done to the Sanon name. Make you and him into heroes.
- It’s not worth recounting. The man’s a sick mind.
Hadrian will say that once we inform the Cabinet, they can ensure he won’t be able to do anything like this ever again. You can ask Hadrian what his punishment may be, and she will explain that the Cabinet will probably cut all his ties to the outside world.
You won’t be able to convince Hadrian not to mention Vae Victis’ involvement if you reveal the truth to her.
If you want to save Vae Victis, use the Lie dialogue options to pin everything down on Orlase. This will tie any loose ends related to Vae Victir’s involvement. You can suggest that Orlase did everything to show that the Lazarus Plant’s effects can’t be ignored.
Address the Cabinet (UC Cabinet Chambers)
The surprise on the Cabinet’s members’ faces when you tell them that Vae Victis organized the attacks is priceless. I didn’t feel Vae Victis would necessarily be executed after addressing the Cabinet and revealing the truth.
You can also request to spare his life, which will be noted. You can also decide whether the Aceles breeding or the Anti-Terrormorph Microbe is the best course of action to deal with Terrormorphs. There is no right or wrong choice here, and it doesn’t affect your playthrough, to my knowledge.
You can also convince Alexandra Abello to destroy the Lazarus Plant and ask the Freestar Collective for help. Finally, you, Percival Walker, and Hadrian Sanon will be granted Class One Citizen status for the great things you did for UC’s cause.
Talk to Commander Tuala
Once you complete your conversation with the Cabinet you can head to Commanderto receive the full rewards of your Class One Citizenship with the UC.
- EXP: 350
- Credits: Variable Number + 12,000 (Fixed)
- New Atlantis Penthouse
- Store discounts in United Colonies territory
What to Do Next
While the UC Vanguard quest line is completed at this point, your duty for the United Colonies doesn’t end.
Preventive Action Quest
If you don’t expose Vae Victis, he will be available in Subsection Seven of the MAST building and assign Preventive Action missions to you. Essentially, you will be tasked with the extermination of threats to the United Colonies.
Commander Tuala Missions
Commander Tuala will be available to assign you with combat missions for the United Colonies.
Percival Walker Missions
Percival will return to the Red Devils’ HQ on Mars, where you can find him and receive missions related to collecting DNA samples.
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